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22 July 2006 @ 11:54 am
SGA 3.02: Misbegotten  


I'm sorta half and half on the episode. As always with SGA I liked the character relationships and almost everything that came out of Woolsey's mouth. (Plus I'm a fan of anything that gives Robert Picardo more screen time. He's going to be the Voyager equivalent of Armin Shimmerman, right?)

But I think the A plot was predictable from the moment they put the humanified Wraith on the planet. Also how stupid was it to 'retreat' Michael. Obviously they don't really practice 'live and learn'.

Still how much do I love Rodney for being the only one to have a problem with killing the human Wraith. My arms aren't wide enough to demonstrate. (Ok yes Carson too, but since this whole thing's his fault, he doesn't get too much credit.) Oh speaking of Rodney love - the mussy Weir scene, only made bearable by Rodney's 'hungry' comment!

Also I can't understand why they keep being surprised when Sheppard (and co) turn up alive once again. Stop giving up of them so easily!

And why no Radek? Rodney was struggling to get the Wraith ship in working order, surely Radek would have been an asset. Last week no Carson, this week no Radek, maybe TPTB are rationing out the secondary characters!

And now on to the quotes!
Weir: I'm sorry to put you in this position, but you're the only person besides Colonel Sheppard and General O'Neill who's actually fired a drone from that chair.
Carson: Ironically, they're the two people I nearly killed when I did that.

Woolsey: Nothing renews your appreciation for the military like threat of invasion from life-sucking aliens. I love the seriousness with which he delivered that!

Sheppard: How many maneuvers can you pull off with your manual interface?
Rodney: Well, does standing still count as a maneuver.
Sheppard: No.

Michael: You have a strong sense of empathy toward others.
Carson: It's not as strong as it used to be, believe me. (awww Carson, yeah I liked him here! Plus it's about time he learnt.)

Rodney: We couldn't hit the side of a barn.
Sheppard: Hive ships are a hundred times bigger....
Rodney: A giant, flying barn. We couldn't hit that.
LOL! Rodney love!

Woolsey: You see, in my business sometimes it's more important not to let inconvenient facts get in the way of the greater truth."
I love Woolsey!
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GreenKey: sga - carson/rodney fearfulgreen_key on July 22nd, 2006 12:07 pm (UTC)
But I think the A plot was predictable from the moment they put the humanified Wraith on the planet.

Well, yes. This episode has been coming since Michael was first captured. But I will say that it was done better than I expected.

Also how stupid was it to 'retreat' Michael.

Not very, but we're learning that a lot of what Atlantis has been doing has been on Stargate Command orders. Or so the writers are belatedly writing in.

Still how much do I love Rodney for being the only one to have a problem with killing the human Wraith.

Not this episode. He didn't voice opposition to Sheppard's plan to "nuke 'em". In this one, Rodney pushed the button to kill all the Wraith and humans on the planet without hesitation. I noted this immediately because to my mind, this ep was the end of Rodney's "innocence" (and I use the term loosely since he was already involved with misleading Michael, whether he wanted to or not).

Ok yes Carson too, but since this whole thing's his fault, he doesn't get too much credit.

Did he develop the retrovirus? Yes. It's what he gets paid to do. Is "the whole thing his fault" really? Knowing that Stargate Command has been behind the whole thing, and that Carson isn't doing this freely, that he takes order from others? I can't see that there's a single person aware of what's happening with the retrovirus who is completely free of blame. And Carson was the only one who wanted to try to save those who were being fed on in human form on the planet.

Mind, it's not my intention to sound as though I'm pointing out Carson as a hero --he's most assuredly not. I'm saying only that I can't see that there is a hero, an innocent, or any single person who rises above in this situation.

And why no Radek? Rodney was struggling to get the Wraith ship in working order, surely Radek would have been an asset.

Seriously! Sure, you'd have to drag Radek kicking and screaming onto the Hive ship, but he wouldn't have been shoe-horned into the ep. He was definitely needed.

Last week no Carson, this week no Radek, maybe TPTB are rationing out the secondary characters!

Radek is a secondary character, but Carson isn't. Paul McGillion is a main cast member signed for 17 episodes this season (same as the last two seasons, even if he was billed as secondary in the first season). Even the main characters like Weir, Teyla and Rodney aren't in every episode. I'm pretty sure only Joe Flanigan has managed to be in every ep so far.
Maria: rodney tragedyria_kukalaka on July 22nd, 2006 12:53 pm (UTC)
Not very, but we're learning that a lot of what Atlantis has been doing has been on Stargate Command orders.
It was stupid of somebody, not necessarily the people who actually performed it. They still didn't have it perfected, as pointed out in the conversation between Teyla and Michael. Michael's already failed the treatment once, automatically making him more likely to reject it again. They should have just kept him in a cell until they were sure. Or just shot him and have it done with. He was a Wraith at that point.

In this one, Rodney pushed the button to kill all the Wraith and humans on the planet without hesitation.
Under the threat of an imminent Wraith attack and after they'd already discussed it, yes he did. But when Sheppard and Ronon were deciding, his input was: "Well I suppose we could not incinerate them."

Knowing that Stargate Command has been behind the whole thing, and that Carson isn't doing this freely, that he takes order from others?
I think that's going to be used as an excuse for almost everything. We don't know the extent of SGC's involvement. Everyone takes orders from someone else but we've seen Sheppard, Weir, Rodney (even Woolsey, sort of) disregard those orders when they don't agree with them. Carson's a doctor and a scientist. He should use his knowledge responsibly. But like you say, almost everyone else had a part to play too. When I said it's all his fault, I meant none of this would be possible without the retrovirus.

Sure, you'd have to drag Radek kicking and screaming onto the Hive ship
That alone would have been fun to watch ;) But Radek had to fly home on the ship so I assume he wouldn't have been completely against it.

Radek is a secondary character, but Carson isn't.
LOL, when I wrote that I was expecting azicrow to whine, you obviously beat her to it. :) I adore Paul McGillion and am thrilled he counts as a member of the main cast. But most of the time Carson tends not to be around much or only used as he's needed, (which I think is exactly the right way to use any character), so in my head he's still one of the background guys.

Speaking of secondary characters there was no Lorne either, maybe they're both off comforting each other somewhere *g*

Again, I don't think it was a bad episode, I just don't think it was particularly good either.
GreenKey: sga - b/m holdin' handsgreen_key on July 22nd, 2006 01:21 pm (UTC)
But when Sheppard and Ronon were deciding, his input was: "Well I suppose we could not incinerate them."

Which is more like "whatever" than, "But they don't deserve to die! They're innocent!" *g*

Carson's a doctor and a scientist. He should use his knowledge responsibly.

To his mind, he is. Last season he specifically stated that he created the retrovirus to free the humans from what he considers to be an unnatural state, that of the bugs infiltrating the humans. That's why he's called it a "retro-virus" -- he's hoping to reverse what's been done. He's a geneticist, so this sort of goal and ambition only makes sense. What the retrovirus can and is used for has never been his choice -- that's been Sheppard and Weir and to some extent, McKay. Carson's only trying to perfect it to cause minimal damanage to those it's distributed to.

But most of the time Carson tends not to be around much or only used as he's needed,

Alas, this is the historical role of the doctor character. But at least we know he's going to have something juicy and non-doctorly coming up after last night's little dance with Michael. :)

so in my head he's still one of the background guys.

I've been a bit surprised to see Rodney treated as such in the past two eps. In fact I wrote a friend last night saying, "Wow, the whole episode hasn't hinged on McKay's last minute rescue for two episodes in a row!" In fact, he's been a glorified repairman in the past two eps. Which is probably why we didn't see Doc Z.

Speaking of secondary characters there was no Lorne either, maybe they're both off comforting each other somewhere *g*

Lorne's off comforting Zelenka. Hence, they were both mysteriously missing. *G*
Maria: carson happy placeria_kukalaka on July 22nd, 2006 02:19 pm (UTC)
Which is more like "whatever" than, "But they don't deserve to die! They're innocent!" *g*
It's a bit flippant, but it's a classic Rodney response. I think the team know him well enough to know what he meant.

YAY! I really like Carson when he's non-doctorly, hopefully they'll make it something good. And not just pretend none of this ever happened.


Katie: SGA: Princess Bride - Inconceivablekaaatie on July 22nd, 2006 02:09 pm (UTC)
Woosley was great! I loved him forgetting about "inconvenient facts"!

I agree that Zelenka could have been great help - it's a shame he and Lorne weren't in the episode. There were probably together reminising about their time in charge of the Orion! :D

Ohh, I forgot about that barn quote - I loved that too! :)
Maria: Rodney-brilliantria_kukalaka on July 22nd, 2006 02:21 pm (UTC)
LOL! I think we've decided that Lorne and Zelenka were holed up somewhere comforting each other :D

Seriously, practically everything Rodney said in this episode was great. :)
Alex: Cam SG1mcalex22 on July 23rd, 2006 01:28 pm (UTC)
I'm doing something this year that I didn't last year - ie watch both Gates concurrently! I like Picardo in Voyager, being a fan of it. I didn't like Woosely when I first saw him in SG1 but there were moments from S9 of SG1 that redeemed him and made me change my mind.

Maybe I just don't read too much into the shows. I didn't see the scene with John and Elizbeth as flirting... I admit though that there are issues here and some very very questionable decisions and actions.

But I think TPTB wanted this - the number of reviews and meta discussions generated is just fantastic for them!

Love your quotes too - not sure what happened to Lorne or Radek! But oh Rodney, snarky but toned down. The one thing that made me light up in the whole show was him smiling. It was the rarest thing I've ever seen!

:D
Maria: dhawria_kukalaka on July 23rd, 2006 01:57 pm (UTC)
I'm not watching SG1 yet this year, although by the sounds of things I may have to in order for SGA to make sense. I never cared much for Woolsey as a character, but I've always been such a major fan of Picardo that I was always glad to have him. And I squee'd like mad when they said he was going to conduct an investigation in Atlantis, because I thought that meant he'd be around for a few episodes, at least. Oh well.

That's a good point about the amount of discussion, I know that was always one of Chris Carter's main aims with The X-files, and it is the best way to have a show gain popularity.

Rodney rocks. A lot. That smile! *heart melts* He's so adorable. You're right it was the highlight of the episode.
azicrowazicrow on July 23rd, 2006 10:00 pm (UTC)
You're always mean to him but I thought the ep was sorta not great but not awful just kinda...there. Existing.

And Lorne needs rest after the orion lol with a couple of scientists in tow.
miso_no_tsuki: Lornemiso_no_tsuki on July 23rd, 2006 11:19 pm (UTC)
Hmmm, thinks... definately suffering from Radek and Lorne withdrawal. Picardo was superb, as always, the man is a consummate actor. I liked it better when he has edge, but apparently he's on Liz's side. (For now, possibly.)
And please, why did no-one think of asking Michael to fly the bloody Hive ship instead of de-wraithifying him *again* when they knew it didn't hold the last time. Poor Carson, whumped offscreen (Booo hooo! I'm sure PM would have suffered *beautifully*)and stuck, once again in a mess not entirely of his own making. He was at least *trying* to help, but the whole thing was dooomed from the start.